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the salaries paid afford adequate remuneration for the work performed. Mr May does not attempt to show that they do not, and even if he did, the decision to pay salaries at 2/- to the dollar, arrived at since this despatch was written, would afford sufficient ground for refusing a further increase. That decision has given everybody an increase which, at present rates, is something between 9 and 12% on his salary.

Sir M. Nathan told me that he considered that this was a satisfactory solution and that the officers of the service would have no further ground of complaint. Moreover, the decision has increased the liabilities of the Govt by an annual sum estimated at about sixty thousand dollars, and in view of the probable reduction of revenue which will result from anti-opium measures, I do not see how the Govt can afford to incur any further expense at present.

Turning to some special points in this despatch, I would point out (a) Para 6. The comparative cost of living in Hong Kong and the Straits is a matter on which no clear understanding has ever been reached. Straits and F.M.S officers hotly dispute the assertion that living in Hong Kong is more expensive, and mostly say that they would be glad to go to Hong Kong on a lower salary.

Para 4 of Sir M. Nathan's despatch in 15519/06 shows that he considers that living in Hong Kong is in most respects cheaper than in other colonies. Moreover, even if the salaries are less, there are compensating advantages in a more favourable climate and in the opportunities of getting a change to a cooler place without the cost of coming to Europe - by going to Japan or Weihaiwei. This is a point on which Straits officers have laid great stress in conversation with me.

The comparison of prospects is not properly carried out. The £1500 post to which Mr May refers is that of R.C at Penang, a position which is said to be exceedingly costly to keep up, owing to the necessary entertaining. Certainly, however, there are more highly paid posts in the Straits than in Hong Kong, but the Straits and F.M.S must be taken together, and the result then is very different.

Omitting staff posts, there are in this combined service only 28 posts with salaries that rise over £800 in a service of $149, i.e., under 18% against 20% in Hong Kong.

(N.B. I think these figures are unduly favourable to Mr May, as for simplicity, I have not left out the posts, such as the higher police posts, which will probably not be held by cadet officers in future).

As to the last words of this paragraph, granting (which I do not) that the lowest cadets are as a rule appreciably worse than the highest, why should Hong Kong have all the best men? If there was any danger of this happening, we should have to take steps, as the I.O have done, to prevent all the best men getting into one province. The Straits and F.M.S need quite as good men as Hong Kong.

Moreover, Mr May forgets that promotion has been exceptionally rapid in Hong Kong. Mr Thomson was Treasurer after only 11 years' service, Mr May himself was Capt Supt of Police after 12, and Mr Messer was acting as Treasurer after three!

(b) Para 9. These anomalies are a result of having two different scales in existence at one time. Officers on one scale are frequently at a disadvantage compared with officers on another, but that is no reason for trying to give everybody the benefit of both scales.

I submit that the answer to this despatch should be that the S of S is not prepared to assent to any increase of sterling salaries, especially in view of the recent improvement of the position of Govt officers, which has been effected by the decision to pay salaries at 2/-. If, however, you think that any good or grievance has been revealed, I should like to submit some proposals for a reorganisation, as there are a number of reasons against the adoption of Mr May's rough and ready solution, e.g., a cadet on first obtaining a substantive post would receive...

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Butler + the salaries paid afford adequate remuneration for the work performed. Mr May does not attempt to show that they do not, and even if he did, the decision to pay salaries at 2/- to the dollar, arrived at since this despatch was written, would afford sufficient ground for refusing a further increase. That decision has given everybody an increase which, at present rates, is something between 9 and 12% on his salary. Sir M. Nathan told me that he considered that this was a satisfactory solution and that the officers of the service would have no further ground of complaint. Moreover, the decision has increased the liabilities of the Govt by an annual sum estimated at about sixty thousand dollars, and in view of the probable reduction of revenue which will result from anti-opium measures, I do not see how the Govt can afford to incur any further expense at present. Turning to some special points in this despatch, I would point out (a) Para 6. The comparative cost of living in Hong Kong and the Straits is a matter on which no clear understanding has ever been reached. Straits and F.M.S officers hotly dispute the assertion that living in Hong Kong is more expensive, and mostly say that they would be glad to go to Hong Kong on a lower salary. Para 4 of Sir M. Nathan's despatch in 15519/06 shows that he considers that living in Hong Kong is in most respects cheaper than in other colonies. Moreover, even if the salaries are less, there are compensating advantages in a more favourable climate and in the opportunities of getting a change to a cooler place without the cost of coming to Europe - by going to Japan or Weihaiwei. This is a point on which Straits officers have laid great stress in conversation with me. The comparison of prospects is not properly carried out. The £1500 post to which Mr May refers is that of R.C at Penang, a position which is said to be exceedingly costly to keep up, owing to the necessary entertaining. Certainly, however, there are more highly paid posts in the Straits than in Hong Kong, but the Straits and F.M.S must be taken together, and the result then is very different. Omitting staff posts, there are in this combined service only 28 posts with salaries that rise over £800 in a service of $149, i.e., under 18% against 20% in Hong Kong. (N.B. I think these figures are unduly favourable to Mr May, as for simplicity, I have not left out the posts, such as the higher police posts, which will probably not be held by cadet officers in future). As to the last words of this paragraph, granting (which I do not) that the lowest cadets are as a rule appreciably worse than the highest, why should Hong Kong have all the best men? If there was any danger of this happening, we should have to take steps, as the I.O have done, to prevent all the best men getting into one province. The Straits and F.M.S need quite as good men as Hong Kong. Moreover, Mr May forgets that promotion has been exceptionally rapid in Hong Kong. Mr Thomson was Treasurer after only 11 years' service, Mr May himself was Capt Supt of Police after 12, and Mr Messer was acting as Treasurer after three! (b) Para 9. These anomalies are a result of having two different scales in existence at one time. Officers on one scale are frequently at a disadvantage compared with officers on another, but that is no reason for trying to give everybody the benefit of both scales. I submit that the answer to this despatch should be that the S of S is not prepared to assent to any increase of sterling salaries, especially in view of the recent improvement of the position of Govt officers, which has been effected by the decision to pay salaries at 2/-. If, however, you think that any good or grievance has been revealed, I should like to submit some proposals for a reorganisation, as there are a number of reasons against the adoption of Mr May's rough and ready solution, e.g., a cadet on first obtaining a substantive post would receive...
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Butler + the salaries paid afford adequate remuneration for the work perfpemed. Mr May does not attempt to show that they do not a + and even if he did, the decision to pay salaries at 2/- to the dollar, arrived at since this despatch was written, would afford sufficient ground for refusing a further increase That decision has given everybody an increase which at present rates is something between 9 and 12% on his salary Sir M. Nathan told me that he considered that this was a satisfactory solution and that the officers of the service would have no further ground of complaint. Moreover the decision has increased Er the liabilities of the Govt by an annual sum estimated at about sixty thousand dollars and in view of the probable reduction of revenue which will result from anti-opium measures I do not see how the Govt can afford to incur any further expense at present. Turning to some special points in this desp, I would point out (a) Para 6. The comparative cost of living in Hong Kong and the Straits is a matter on which no clear understanding has ever been reached,. Straits and F.M.S officers hotly dispute the assertion that living in Hong Kong is more expensive and mostly say that they would be glad to go to HongKong on a lower salary. Para 4 of Sir M. Nathan's de sp in 15519/06 shews that he considers that living in Hong Kong is in most respects cheaper than in ther colonies. Moreover, even if the salaries are less, there are compen- sating advantages in a more favourable climate and in the opportunities of getting a change to a cooler place without the cost of coming to Europe- by going to Japan or Weihaiwei This is a point on which Straits officers have laid great stress in conversation with me. The comparison of prospects is not properly carried out. The £1500 post to which MrMay refers is that of R.C at Penang, a position which is said to be exceedingly costly to keep up, owing to the necessary entertaining. Certainly however there are more highly paid posts in the Straits than in Hongkong but the Straits and F.M.S must be taken together and the result then is very different. Omitting staff posts, A there are in this combined service only 28 posts with salaries that rise over £800 in a service of $149 i.e under 18% against 20% in Hong Kong. 693 (N.B. I think these figures are unduly favourable to Mr May as for simplicity I have not left out the posts, such as the higher police posts which will probably not be held by cadet officers in future) As to the last words of this paragraph, granting which I do not) that the lowest cadets are as a rule appreciably worse than the highest, why should Hong Kong have all the best men? If there was any dan- ger of this happening we should have to take steps as the I.0 have done, to prevent all the best men getting inte one province. The Straits and F.M.S need quite as good men as Hong Kong. Moreover, Mr May forgets that promotion has been exceptionally rapid in HongKong. Mr Thomson was Treasurer after only 11 years service, Mr May himself was Capt Supt of Police after 12, and Mr Messer was acting as Treasurer after three! (b) Para 9. These anomalies are a result of having two different scales in existence at one time. Officer on one scale are frequently at a disadvantage com- pared with officers on another, but that is no reasàn for trying to give everybody the benefit of both scales. I submit that the answer to this despatch should be that the S of S cis not prepared to assent to any increase of sterling salaries, especially in view of the recent improvement of the position of Govt offices which has been effected by the decision to pay sal- aries at 2/-,. If, however, you think that any good gaz grievance has been revealed, I should like to submit reclassification seme proposals for a reorganisation as there are a number of reasons against the adoption of Mr May's rough and ready solution e.g a cadet on first obtaining a substantive post would receive
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the salaries paid afford adequate remuneration for the work

perfpemed. Mr May does not attempt to show that they do not a

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and even if he did, the decision to pay salaries at 2/-

to the dollar, arrived at since this despatch was written,

would afford sufficient ground for refusing a further increase That decision has given everybody an increase which at present rates is something between 9 and 12% on his salary

Sir M. Nathan told me that he considered that this was a satisfactory solution and that the officers of the service would have no further ground of complaint. Moreover the decision has increased Er the liabilities of the Govt by an annual sum estimated at about sixty thousand dollars and in view of the probable reduction of revenue which will result from anti-opium measures I do not see how the Govt can afford to incur any further expense at present. Turning to some special points in this desp, I would point out (a) Para 6. The comparative cost of living in Hong Kong and the Straits is a matter on which no clear understanding has ever been reached,. Straits and F.M.S officers hotly dispute the assertion that living in Hong Kong is more expensive and mostly say that they would be glad to go to

HongKong on a lower salary. Para 4 of Sir M. Nathan's de sp in 15519/06 shews that he considers that living in Hong Kong

is in most respects cheaper than in ther colonies. Moreover, even if the salaries are less, there are compen- sating advantages in a more favourable climate and in the opportunities of getting a change to a cooler place without the cost of coming to Europe- by going to Japan or Weihaiwei This is a point on which Straits officers have laid great stress in conversation with me.

The comparison of prospects is not properly carried out. The £1500 post to which MrMay refers is that of R.C at Penang,

a position which is said to be exceedingly costly to keep up, owing to the necessary entertaining. Certainly however there are more highly paid posts in the Straits than in Hongkong but the Straits and F.M.S must be taken together and the result then is very different. Omitting staff posts,

A

there are in this combined service only 28 posts

with salaries that rise over £800 in a service of

$149 i.e under 18% against 20% in Hong Kong.

693

(N.B. I think these figures are unduly favourable to

Mr May as for simplicity I have not left out the

posts, such as the higher police posts which will

probably not be held by cadet officers in future)

As to the last words of this paragraph, granting

which I do not) that the lowest cadets are as a

rule appreciably worse than the highest, why should

Hong Kong have all the best men? If there was any dan-

ger of this happening we should have to take steps

as the I.0 have done, to prevent all the best men

getting inte one province. The Straits and F.M.S

need quite as good men as Hong Kong.

Moreover, Mr May forgets that promotion has been

exceptionally rapid in HongKong. Mr Thomson was

Treasurer after only 11 years service, Mr May himself

was Capt Supt of Police after 12, and Mr Messer was

acting as Treasurer after three!

(b) Para 9. These anomalies are a result of having

two different scales in existence at one time. Officer

on one scale are frequently at a disadvantage com-

pared with officers on another, but that is no reasàn

for trying to give everybody the benefit of both

scales.

I submit that the answer to this despatch should be

that the S of S cis not prepared to assent to any

increase of sterling salaries, especially in view of

the recent improvement of the position of Govt offices

which has been effected by the decision to pay sal-

aries at 2/-,. If, however, you think that any good gaz grievance has been revealed, I should like to submit

reclassification

seme proposals for a reorganisation as there are a

number of reasons against the adoption of Mr May's rough and ready solution e.g a cadet on first obtaining a substantive post would receive

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